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Notes made by SubO X
1800hrs Feb 12th 1999
Firefighter Y’s Grievance meeting Officers Mess Lowestoft
Those present
FF Y
SubO X
G Saward
C Hodge
CH
Mr Saward is here because he dealt with the decision last week and can assist me with the background.
To Y can you for my benefit outline your grievance and the reasons behind it.
Y
Gives a general outline in relation to his temporary promotion which began in Sept 98 to provide cover for PB.
Basically I was asked if I would do the job to which I replied, I would be prepared to be temporary if it was for the duration of PB’s sickness.
CH
Asked by whom
Y
ADO Fuller, as you can see from the memo which is a contractual obligation and T/ADO Saward has decided not to honour by suggesting I revert to FF without proper notice. Essentially he is acting in bad faith as it is quite clear that the agreement between me and ADO fuller constitutes a contract, (reading from prepared notes – doc 4?).
CH
Puzzled look in response to contract, takes notes but refrains from comment.
Y
As a result of T/ADO Saward not recognising the agreement I invoked the grievance procedure in good faith and the reasonable expectation that the status quo would be honoured as specified in paragraph 12 page 4.
Unfortunately this has not been the case and T/ADO Saward is misguided/clearly wrong.
CH
Did ADO Saward discuss your reversion beforehand.
Y
The actual letter from ADO Saward confirmed a previous discussion during which I informed ADO Saward his action was wrong.
As I said I had a clear agreement, myself and ADO Fuller in the form of a contract (refer to notes)
CH
Mr Saward what were your reasons for your decision last Friday, to uphold your position.
GS
Basically it was done in the interests of promoting equality of opportunity and fairness at work.
Also I needed to give FF English the opportunity to act up so I could assess him for the forthcoming LFF assessments. So my action created the right environment for me to assess him properly.
CH
To GS so having made these arguments on 19 Jan has anything changed.
GS
I am still of the same opinion.
CH
Why
GS
The same arguments hold as I said it was to promote equality of opportunity, also when PB became sick nobody foresaw the length of his sickness.
CH
As Mr Saward said the circumstances of FF English’s temporary promotion were clear, as he said the need to assess him was paramount. I also commend the equality of opportunity that Mr Saward strives for.
Y
I must point out that T/ADO Saward asked me to revert without the thought of a need to preserve the status quo inherent in the grievance procedure.
ADJOURNMENT
While CH considers his decision with GS approx 2 mins.
CH
I can confirm that I am upholding ADO Saward’s decision.
Y
I refer you back to T/ADO Saward’s reasons and misleading evidence. His need to assess FF English for the forthcoming assessments, FF English is already assessed (see doc 41).
Ch
Errrrr………..Even so I uphold ADO Saward’s decision and I will give extended reasons to you on Monday.
Y
If you have made your decision then you must have reasons and I ask you for them now.
CH
Para 5 says the reply will be in writing. That is all I have to say.
Notes made by SubO X
1800hrs Feb 12th 1999
Firefighter Y’s Grievance meeting Officers Mess Lowestoft
Those present
FF Y
SubO X
G Saward
C Hodge
CH
Mr Saward is here because he dealt with the decision last week and can assist me with the background.
To Y can you for my benefit outline your grievance and the reasons behind it.
Y
Gives a general outline in relation to his temporary promotion which began in Sept 98 to provide cover for PB.
Basically I was asked if I would do the job to which I replied, I would be prepared to be temporary if it was for the duration of PB’s sickness.
CH
Asked by whom
Y
ADO Fuller, as you can see from the memo which is a contractual obligation and T/ADO Saward has decided not to honour by suggesting I revert to FF without proper notice. Essentially he is acting in bad faith as it is quite clear that the agreement between me and ADO fuller constitutes a contract, (reading from prepared notes – doc 4?).
CH
Puzzled look in response to contract, takes notes but refrains from comment.
Y
As a result of T/ADO Saward not recognising the agreement I invoked the grievance procedure in good faith and the reasonable expectation that the status quo would be honoured as specified in paragraph 12 page 4.
Unfortunately this has not been the case and T/ADO Saward is misguided/clearly wrong.
CH
Did ADO Saward discuss your reversion beforehand.
Y
The actual letter from ADO Saward confirmed a previous discussion during which I informed ADO Saward his action was wrong.
As I said I had a clear agreement, myself and ADO Fuller in the form of a contract (refer to notes)
CH
Mr Saward what were your reasons for your decision last Friday, to uphold your position.
GS
Basically it was done in the interests of promoting equality of opportunity and fairness at work.
Also I needed to give FF English the opportunity to act up so I could assess him for the forthcoming LFF assessments. So my action created the right environment for me to assess him properly.
CH
To GS so having made these arguments on 19 Jan has anything changed.
GS
I am still of the same opinion.
CH
Why
GS
The same arguments hold as I said it was to promote equality of opportunity, also when PB became sick nobody foresaw the length of his sickness.
CH
As Mr Saward said the circumstances of FF English’s temporary promotion were clear, as he said the need to assess him was paramount. I also commend the equality of opportunity that Mr Saward strives for.
Y
I must point out that T/ADO Saward asked me to revert without the thought of a need to preserve the status quo inherent in the grievance procedure.
ADJOURNMENT
While CH considers his decision with GS approx 2 mins.
CH
I can confirm that I am upholding ADO Saward’s decision.
Y
I refer you back to T/ADO Saward’s reasons and misleading evidence. His need to assess FF English for the forthcoming assessments, FF English is already assessed (see doc 41).
Ch
Errrrr………..Even so I uphold ADO Saward’s decision and I will give extended reasons to you on Monday.
Y
If you have made your decision then you must have reasons and I ask you for them now.
CH
Para 5 says the reply will be in writing. That is all I have to say.
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